Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
Go to the stylus blog and read my ludicrous pretentious toss
Lisa says:
I am wading my way through it.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
it’s a bit serious
Lisa says:
And wordy!
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
aye
Lisa says:
to me it seems that you’re suggesting that people should not be musical fascists.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
yeah
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
basically
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
I could’ve done it in about a dozen words, but once I got started…
Lisa says:
people don’t understand that extreme left opinions and extreme right opinions are the same shirt in a different colour. if you are so geared up to be an elitist fuck you’re going to miss out on so much.
Lisa says:
why does popular immediately equate itself with bad?
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
Aye, totally
Lisa says:
It’s insane.
Lisa says:
pitchfork only serves to alienate readers.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
aye
Lisa says:
it reminds me SO much of academia.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
and make the ones it keeps so much more narrow minded
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
yeah, i can see that to an extent
Lisa says:
back in the 1600s - academics used to speak only latin to each other
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
aye
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
it’s elitist and alienating
Lisa says:
it was a way to immediately identify one of your tribe so to speak
Lisa says:
exactly
Lisa says:
but it just SMACKS of complete insecurity.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
i find it hideous
Lisa says:
its like - you don’t speak my indie rock language therefore you are not worthy of my time.
Lisa says:
when in reality - the pitchfork emperor has no clothes.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
yes
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
the one thing I hate above all else is small-mindedness, especially when it’s hand-in-hand with an air of superiority
Lisa says:
totally.
Lisa says:
“i have limited capabilities yet i am superior to you”.
Lisa says:
and what these people continually forget is that reviews are opinions!
Lisa says:
not facts!
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
totally
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
It’s like, on another messageboard I sill use from time to time (I so shouldn’t, it’s full of kids and idiots)
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
There was a kid complaining about Sean Paul’s voice being ‘put-on’ and ‘fake’
I can’t believe you waste time even typing anything about sean paul!
Lisa says:
I loathe him.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
i’m not keen
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
but this kid’s only 16
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
and his distaste is the indieboy distaste of the ‘other’
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
rather than because Sean Paul is crap
Lisa says:
why are indieboys even talking about Sean Paul anyway?
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
I don’t know
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
I guess to gather small-minded indie-cred
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
“look; I don’t like chartpop - ergo I am cool”
Lisa says:
I seriously don’t understand why not liking popular stuff makes one credible. everyone has at least a weakness for some chart stuff.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
because they think it shows an ability to discern the wheat from the chaff
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
and to remove oneself from the norm
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
thereby making oneself special and different
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
chartpop = the norm in their eyes
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
it’s a whole adolescent rebellion and pushing your identity thing
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
it’s just a shame that people like Ott still do it in their mid-20s and older – in fact, it’s kind of disturbing. Are the not comfortable enough with themselves to just like something, and to try and understand why they like it from there, rather than artificially positing themselves in some pre-decreed box?
Lisa says:
but if everyone does it = you are no longer outside the norm.
Lisa says:
its like saying “I don’t eat at mcdonalds because it is common”
Lisa says:
when we KNOW you do. If you are indeed so outside the norm you wouldn’t even know who sean paul is anyway
Lisa says:
much less that he sucks.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
aye
Lisa says:
Exactly! The only way to gain true credibility is through honesty
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
yes
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
blood+ guts honesty
Lisa says:
i mean people think is it ‘credible’ to like Motown right?
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
they do, aye
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
black = suffering = soul = instant cred - when, as you know, I don’t think ’soul’ exists, certainly in that context
Lisa says:
But Motown was a fabricated hits factory
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
fucking exactly
Lisa says:
Berry Gordy was the Stock Aitkin Waterman of his time!
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
the amount of times I point out stuff like this in arguments is incredible, about them keeping the drum kit in the same place in the same room from 62-69 so all the songs would have the same percussion sound to keep the audience happy
Lisa says:
it is only through the magic of time that it becomes credible.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
yes
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
all this writing your own songs stuff is bullshit too
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
It’s like the myth of the romantic artist
Lisa says:
oh don’t get me started on the misunderstanding of romanticism.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
eheheehehehehehe
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
i love the story about Taylor Coleridge and the laudanum
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
STC was a laudanum addict and was tripping off his nuts on the stuff whilst writing kubla khan and it was inspired by his visions
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
and he had an entire epic planned
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
1000s of pages
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
and then someone knocked on the door and he ‘forgot’ it
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
hence it’s only a few verses
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
if that’s not self-mythologising on the level of the stone roses chucking paint over everything, i dunno what is
Lisa says:
It’s like the theory that what was fuelling early divine visions amongst monks wasn’t god but moldy bread and that these supposedly higher power acts of god were in reality early acid trips.
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
Precisely
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
But people need the mythology, people need to surrender to a ‘higher power’, be it God or the alter of indie or whatever
Nick (may not reply because he’s not that clever) says:
Because they’re not brave enough to make their own decisions
Lisa says:
Stick this on the blog too.